2025. december 30., kedd

State of AI 2026: Deterministic automation or back to the future...

LinkedIn
Deterministic automation is not the enemy of intelligence. It is the floor, the rockbase.. Without determinism, you cannot build trust. Without trust, you cannot deploy autonomy. And without autonomy grounded in real dynamics, all the tokens in the world will never get you 'intelligence'. So the real question for 2026 is not whether AI goes boom or bust.. It is whether we stay trapped in probabilistic or deep learning dogma, or finally move toward systems that can adapt, act, and remain coherent in the real world, in realtime, under uncertainty.. History suggests that when the hype cycle collapses, the real work finally begins. 


For me, history suggests that without proper root cause analysis, we are doomed to repeat the same story. The question is why this GenAI hysteria could even emerge while the science and engineering was always clear, unambiguous and known? How could this misinterpretation of the Turing test become a global cargo cult? How could this whole industry not even reject but totally forget its own foundations?




Todd Johnson
Lorand Kedves For me, it is because the coding agent (in particular Claude and Claude Code) is remarkable. I can finally do things that I did not have the resources to do. I have been at universities since 1980. We are always underfunded--even with grant funding, which never provides enough to do the work that needs to be done (much less the extra committee, teaching and grant writing work). At this stage, it is a matter of learning when and how to use the LLMs, not whether to use them.



Thoralf J. Klatt
it’s not just the efficiency gains. also innovation that comes from understanding hashtag#unmetneeds. we don’t just need to do the wrong stuff faster but understand what’s the right stuff. solving people‘s needs (aka pro•duct in latin). enter jobs-to-be-done. Eckhart Boehme can tell you how to augment with hashtag#graphRAG to make more sense. start here:

https://medium.com/@thoralfjklatt/better-discovery-using-jobs-to-be-done-jtbd-46775f2a2234


Eckhart Boehme
Thoralf J. Klatt A highly controlled process for building a data basis (human behavior) for context-based graphrag produced by deterministic and probabilistic rules and a step-by-step process is a middle way to produce meaningful results.


Lorand Kedves
Thoralf J. Klatt - sounds like "I think the computer has from the beginning been a fundamentally conservative force. It has made possible the saving of institutions pretty much as they were, which otherwise might have had to be changed." (Joseph Weizenbaum, 1985) 🤔
https://lnkd.in/dPmbG4TN


Eckhart Boehme - I guess JTBD would not be new for the people of the Apollo program or Skunkworks...
https://youtu.be/ecIWPzGEbFc?t=2851
Or a "context-based graphrag produced by deterministic and probabilistic rules and a step-by-step process" to Ivan Sutherland (1963...)
https://youtu.be/6orsmFndx_o?t=45

This is what I call the forgotten foundations, with the predicted consequences... 👇

More on that in my lame summaries
in text: https://lnkd.in/d8_cAMBB
in video: https://lnkd.in/duJEbZty



Todd Johnson - speaking of academy.

1: I have no idea what an LLM can do with the formal definition of the term information: "things that you did not know and could not derive from what you knew" vs taming gigantic neural nets with examples. 🤦‍♂️
2: I know that Turing's article was not a goal but a warning, and his real challenge was to define the terms 'machine' and 'thinking' BEFORE making any statements with them. 👇
3: I know that Noam Chomsky's research on languages is the theoretical and practical foundation of modern programming, lately realised that his generative grammar is the key to answer Turing's call. https://lnkd.in/dTCD8dBv
It is incomplete, but not "crazy" as proclaimed by "a psychologist trying to understand how the brain works" a.k.a. "the godfather of AI"... 🤷‍♂️. https://youtu.be/aAvtBdtyEOg

Gambling is a known human weakness exploited by huge industries. We can spend trillions on hyper-sophisticated slot machines and call that 'rocket science'. Unfortunately, true rocket scientist still have to eat and pay their bills, so the field of rocket science disappears.
https://youtu.be/Elyfo1DIlzs?t=91

Examples of that true rocket science:
https://youtu.be/_OSspHZICOg
https://youtu.be/aXVUoT_objA




Thoralf J. Klatt 
Lorand Kedves it’s about increasing the likelihood that customers make progress by adopting your solutions. JTBD originates in marketing which turned out to be part of your pro•duct


Lorand Kedves
Thoralf J. Klatt As I know, Turing assumed the total understanding audience of his real technical articles around ten (10) on the planet. This is how you do real science. The success of going to orbit is not about marketing or consumer adoption. It is about physics. This is how you do real engineering.

Don't get me wrong, you are right in the business and unfortunately, society and academy as well (Aaron Swartz learned this the hard way https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ )

I am afraid we disagree on the definition of "real work"...


One more thing... for you and the maybe 10 people still following this thread 🤫

You set two goals,
1: "we don’t just need to do the wrong stuff faster but understand what’s the right stuff"
2: "customers make progress by adopting your solutions"

They are in contradiction!

Every system has an inertia, customers want to make progress in their current path and mental framework. Any solution that would require additional thinking, learning or new tooling is rejected because of the decreasing immediate profit and risk. This is the only thing these people would agree on:
Alan Kay - https://youtu.be/NdSD07U5uBs?t=787
Ted Nelson - https://youtu.be/KdnGPQaICjk

Douglas Engelbart started investigating this problem in his research of AI (as Augmenting Intellect), Dynamic Knowledge Repository, NLS, Boosting Collective IQ, ...
https://lnkd.in/dsEEzZVs

His A-B-C model resolves that contradiction by layering.
A: improve a current process.
B: analyse the 'A' solution, find ways to change anything that would bring improvement in the long run.
C: consider 'B' as 'A', improve the improvement process. This is where we are get back to "crazy" Chomsky again, against the whole genAI tragicomedy.


Thoralf J. Klatt
Lorand Kedves the 4 forces of JTBD are in balance until customers pull, habits are overvome and anxieties vanish. that’s the moment of your pro•duct leading forth to solution of their needs. they switch. see this video by Bobby Moesta incl a customer interview from Toronto. AI can help humans in discovery and understanding experience design when made available in graphs.

https://vimeo.com/81153746




Eckhart Boehme
Lorand Kedves the principles didn't change but the tools.


Lorand Kedves
Eckhart Boehme Yep... knowing some "old tools" and being aware of the hardware capabilities, the comparison is disappointing.
Here is Alan Kay from 2003
https://youtu.be/1pXmuh1AUQQ?t=4933
Or Engelbart's NLS (1968, before the test launch of ARPANET).
https://youtu.be/UhpTiWyVa6k
The hardware difference from the same Bob Martin lecture
https://youtu.be/ecIWPzGEbFc?t=3142

I don't think "modern tools" reflect the elapsed 20+ or 50+ years. 🤔


Thoralf J. Klatt "AI can help humans in discovery and understanding experience design when made available in graphs." - exactly, if we trash chatbots and return to what Ivan Sutherland worked on in 1963.

"- We're going to show you a man actually talking to a computer in a way far different than it's ever been possible to do before.
- Surely not with his voice.
- No he's going to be talking graphically. He's going to be drawing and the computer is going to understand his drawings. The man will be using a graphical language that we call Sketchpad."
https://youtu.be/6orsmFndx_o

BTW, this was the topic of my CS PhD in 2018 (age 45). Rejected of course, they "did not see the academic value"... 🤣 Here is a very obsolete prototype from that time:
https://youtu.be/3GsSp7Zd1g8



Thoralf J. Klatt
Lorand Kedves the open questions to be asked can be designed by AI. humans still need to understand and make sense of the needs of humans. after all they will buy your product. robots will only buy energy and water


Lorand Kedves
Thoralf J. Klatt ... and we are back at the beginning: how does 'an AI design a question'? What is 'a machine' and what is 'thinking'? 🙂 / 🧠 / 🤖
For some seasoning, add Fred Hoyle's Black Cloud (if an intelligent entity should be human-like), or history / current politics (if being human-like actually means intelligent). 😁


Thoralf J. Klatt 
Lorand Kedves based on the 4 forces (push, pull, habits, anxieties) and functional, emotional personal, emotional social, life-changing, financial (unmet) needs. The answers are the interesting part. As always. AI is your personal assistant hashtag#PA, nothing more. You are accountable as a product owner. Hope this helps. Try it. cc Riccardo Mariti


Todd Johnson
When I use LLMs for coding, I'm not gambling or expecting it to pass the Turing test... I'm getting work done--more work than I ever got done before. My concern is that outside of their training distribution and outside of the custom agentic systems (such as Claude Code) they show very limited ability to reason even in areas where humans can do quite well. They are still stochastic parrots, albeit more and more clever ones and more and more useful ones. But leadership in most cases is bound to be fooled by these parrots, because they don't understand the limits and will be all too willing to accept the hype.


Lorand Kedves
Todd Johnson I know, but this is the problem, not the solution (painkiller vs cure).

I am an IT expert writing code for 40 years, got CS BSc in '99 (unlike the famous hype riders, and not in psychology, like prof. Hinton). I was a lead developer of an AI startup 25 years ago, we won Comdex '99 with DataScope, a data visualisation and knowledge extraction tool supported by "traditional" machine learning. I improved my knowledge graph tooling behind many projects (government, multinationals, startups, academic R&D) since then. Meanwhile I got suspicious that I missed something, went BACK to the academy at age 43 for a CS MSc and a half PhD (they rejected my research).

You are a very experienced and tech-aware client, one that I would love to work with. Now you have the illusion that you can accomplish more with your chatbots than ever before. But whatever you do is not more than the rough average of all previous works, that's the content of the LLM. Congratulations, you hired a million script kiddies. 🎉

But they will never have my knowledge because that is not the average but the exception. And nobody cares if I solve problems, because the money is NOT in solving but 'dealing with' them.
https://lnkd.in/dy5Tnm3n

Catch-22.

2025. december 13., szombat

Different MINDs...

On LinkedIn

Building AI requires a model of the MIND. The critical question is what kind of mind we talk about.

Here is a practical, technical approach, refined over decades under real and delivered projects. (For nerds like me: "mission statement", videos, GitHub repo.)

𝐌 odel
𝐈 ntellect
𝐍 arrative
𝐃 ialog

However, there is another alternative, which has nothing to do with solving real problems. That is efficient economic and social engineering, the one that wins in a "mature consumer society" (a.k.a. Idiocracy). If you think of actual people reading these words, or that history seems to repeat itself, that is not a coincidence.

𝐌 oney
𝐈 diotism
𝐍 arcissism
𝐃 ogmatism

I guess you would like this one, Axel C. 😉


Brad Hutchings
This post might be the perfect antidote to one just above on my timeline noting that just a week after Sam declared a "code red", which I'd never before heard of as a real thing in a tech company in 35+ years of doing this, OpenAI shipped ChatGPT 5.2, which leads all known and imagined benchmarks again. So thank you for this.


Lorand Kedves
Brad Hutchings Those benchmarks... 🤣 🤣 🤣 Chanting around a black box for a "machine god" to emerge, instead of doing proper research and engineering based on existing but forgotten white box models. Just as predicted BTW... 


I think my question that I sent to these overhyped kids a decade ago is still legit, and they have no better answer than the silence I got back then:
I would ask you a silly question: what is your definition of "intelligence"? No need to give links to AI levels or algorithms, I have been on the field for 20 years. I mean "intelligence", without the artificial part, "A" is the second question after defining "I". At least to me :-)

Also, to clarify those words for the record 🙂
Money - the circular financing scheme (same old bubble, has nothing to do with AI)
Idiotism - by Neil Postman https://youtu.be/YtjjFmCxc8s?t=547
Narcissism - no judgement, this is expected and enforced by the cult members
Dogmatism - that is the real issue https://youtu.be/8pTEmbeENF4?t=1791

It's just unfortunate that this second "mind" destroys my field of interest, so I sometimes vent a bit of steam here. 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for the response 🙏


Brad Hutchings
Lorand Kedves 💯 It's nice to run into people who see through the illusion.


Lorand Kedves
Brad Hutchings Unless those people are dead and forgotten and were far ahead of you, and you see how and why they failed. I tried to publish an article about some of them as part of my CS PhD (before the "chatbot revolution") It was of course rejected but here it is in case you are interested: The Science of Being Wrong.

It's hard to "keep the faith"...

Nice to meet you! 🙂 🖖


Brad Hutchings 
Lorand Kedves I feel a Bon Jovi song battle brewing. But it is late here. So... Have a nice day! 🤣



Simon Gant
id suggest a mind thats done the work......IYKYK



Lorand Kedves
Simon Gant By my model, that would mean a self-aware, -testing and -improving knowledge graph that can (and would) "know anything".
I explained the "secret sauce" to the OpenAI folks when they were not millionaire demigods but the puppets of Musk desperate to come up with something more interesting than a NN that can play games... 🤣
I don't know any attempts tested in delivered systems better than my ones, so "if you know, I want to know"... 🙏

That has nothing to do with this LLM / GenAI freak show.
Veteran engineers and researchers (like myself with 25+ years, a whole life in this arena) don't play with dreaming machines (ref Andrej Karpathy et al) or stochastic parrots. OK, ok, our company built one in the 90's, "Prody", a precursor of the infamous Clippy... 🤭 Don't blame me, I built decision trees, hypercubes and an agentic runtime.

But that should not be new...
for anyone who knows the warnings of the pioneers, like a certain A. M. Turing... I highlighted the apparently forgotten parts and work on the real challenge he proposed. Define the terms "machine" and "thinking" before making a statement that contains them, aiming at the goal set by Douglas Engelbart.

Augmenting Human Intellect.

H-LAM/T... IYKYK 😉




Francis Y.
Lorand Kedves what 'white box' models do you propose that can anywhere near match the effectivness of a transformer?



Lorand Kedves 
Francis Y. There is a total mismatch here.

I talk about transparent and reliable information systems (old school architecture / engineering spiced with machine learning and stretched towards Chomsky's generative grammar, a top-down approach). Not those that are "good enough to fool me on areas where I am not an expert", sorry for a less enthusiastic definition of chatbot / genai (that starts with Hinton's ignoring informatics, rejecting Chomsky and going bottom-up: build a brain simulator and if it is big enough, it will become "intelligent", without even defining this word. Nobel prize science indeed...)

The MIND model addresses the question of what thinking is, in a way aerodynamics addresses the question of flying (Turing challenge one: what is 'thinking'). This is the way you can build a jet plane that somewhat resembles to, yet totally different from a bird (Turing challenge two: what is a 'machine'). 

So the question is rather: what 'a transformer' has to do with a white box model of thinking? I don't have answer to this one, do you? 

But I think that they go in different directions, and if that's correct, the question of 'comparing effectiveness' is meaningless.

2025. december 8., hétfő

LinkedIn - "AI orchestrators"

LinkedIn

Companies will soon starve for this role

Not software engineers
Not prompt engineers.
Not data scientists.

But 𝗔𝗜 𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘀.

People who understand models, prompting, chaining, and how to ship real products around them.

This isn’t taught anywhere yet. You can only learn it by building.
And most people either don’t have the chance to or don't want to.

If you can ship AI products end-to-end, you’re in the top 1 percent .




Lorand Kedves
As an experienced "full stack agent orchestrator", totally agree. The only question is: how my profession is related to this chatbot circus? 🤣
 

Daniel Kazani
 let it pass
Sure, but it's not that easy. I am 53, dynamic knowledge management in information systems (AI as Augmenting Intellect) was and still is my life.

But its imposter chatbot variant is
  1. a trillion dollar "industry" based on illiteracy and ignorance on a precisely predicted suicide trajectory 👇 that
  2. right now not only destroys the global economy (of which I don't care much, it is incompatible with a global civilisation) but also
  3. consumes impossible amount of natural and human resources that makes our survival less and less an option every day (Douglas Adams Last Chance to See) while
  4. the "big names" (Hinton, Musk, Altman, ...) keep moaning all the time while making themselves iconic figures and/or nice money to ensure their own safety "just in case anything happens". 🤦‍♂️

Maybe the last part that is too much for me... 🤔 🤷‍♂️




2025. november 15., szombat

"Will AI Replace Tech YouTubers?"



Hey Mark, 25 years in (non-chatbot, no hype but real science and engineering) AI speaking here.

First of all, congratulations to your channels especially this one, just keep going! Second and objectively related to it: you have nothing to worry about AI. You are a tech YouTuber who does not want to imitate an expert but present your own, unique personality (with a beautiful English, it is a pure joy just to listen to you talking). Your audience is looking for this and will not turn away; your growing popularity is a natural result of that stark contrast to the generated "somewhat readable word salad" content.
Side note, I bought a Nothing CMF Phone 2 following your advice supported by my son and love it 🙏

This clearly demonstrates the real lie of chatbot AI. 
The essence of the current AI boom is the "fake it until make it" mentality so popular in the tech venture capital circles (critical distinction from "industry"!), but it is the opposite of the reality. You do not put a spaceship to stable orbit by blowing millions of rockets in your lab, or become a surgeon by chopping up countless people. Not only because you simply can't do that but because if you do that and once succeed, you will not know what was different that time. 
Ouch. 

LLMs are an attempt to prove that "infinite monkeys over infinite time will write the Hamlet". 
Even though that is mathematically true, if you add up the cost and time, it is nonsense in the very literal meaning of the word, and this gradually reveals itself. You can see more and more signs that even business realised it, the end of this bubble is near. But the real issue is that no LLM can replace Shakespeare who wrote Hamlet for the first time. In short, LLMs adapt to all collected data, they can imitate the average, but never an expert. The expert content is and will always be a minority, and the adaptation will never tell the difference between the extremely good and extremely bad outliers. Neither you can pick the expert who is right at the moment: the definition of true invention is that it sounds insane, latest commonly known examples are like the relativity theory or the nuclear chain reaction. Knowing that from retrospect is deceiving. 
This is why learning the real history of science would be essential, instead of imitating Hollywood scientists... 

I am quite sure that there is no need for decades of hard-core IT experience to realise the ultimate flaw behind the current AI hype. Are you interested in proving this theory as a test subject? 😉


@markelliscreator
15 hours ago
That was a lovely, insightful read - thank you! And as for being a test subject, I think I am already
😉


@lkedves3 hours ago
Nah, the subject of my test, "the Kedves Test" if you like 😁 Here it is. 

I have a bet with myself that if serious people carefully read the following short text, will have problems answering the questions below in the "expected way" unless they are under pressure: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." (Upton Sinclair, 1935), explains my, at least a decade long experience. 

The text is the original definition of the Turing Test (emphasis is mine). 


MIND 
A QUARTERLY REVIEW OF PSYCHOLOGY AND PHILOSOPHY 
October, 1950 

COMPUTING MACHINERY AND INTELLIGENCE 
By A. M. Turing 

1. The Imitation Game 
I propose to consider the question, "Can machines think?" This should begin with definitions of the meaning of the terms "machine" and "think." The definitions might be framed so as to reflect so far as possible the normal use of the words, but this attitude is dangerous. If the meaning of the words "machine" and "think" are to be found by examining how they are commonly used it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the meaning and the answer to the question, "Can machines think?" is to be sought in a statistical survey such as a Gallup poll. But this is absurd. Instead of attempting such a definition I shall replace the question by another, which is closely related to it and is expressed in relatively unambiguous words. 

The new form of the problem can be described in terms of a game which we call the 'imitation game." It is played with three people, a man (A), a woman (B), and an interrogator (C) who may be of either sex. The interrogator stays in a room apart front the other two. The object of the game for the interrogator is to determine which of the other two is the man and which is the woman. He knows them by labels X and Y, and at the end of the game he says either "X is A and Y is B" or "X is B and Y is A." 

[...]
We now ask the question, "What will happen when a machine takes the part of A in this game?" Will the interrogator decide wrongly as often when the game is played like this as he does when the game is played between a man and a woman? These questions replace our original, "Can machines think? 


The questions: do you think that according to Alan Turing
 - Passing the test really means that a machine is intelligent?
 - Passing the test is a technical goal that is worth the effort we put in that?
 - ... WTF is going on here??? 🤣 

Care to answer? 😉 I mean, big boyz spent YOUR money on this quest (and seems to have lost it)

2025. október 29., szerda

Human-AI collaboration


Konrad Kiss
I'll give a 30 min talk at AI Summit Budapest on Tuesday at the MKIK Prompt Arena about the future of Human-AI collaboration. Let me know if you can make it, I'd love to meet! ❤️

Lorand Kedves

Én nem jutok el ilyenekre, 25 év kutatás-fejlesztés nem kap helyet a nagyok asztalánál. Lásd még: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." (Upton Sinclair, 1935) - egyébként ez érvényes a teljes mai chatbot-AI világra, ahol a néma értő olvasás kizáró feltétel (pl. a Turing teszt definíciója).

A cím alapján viszont kíváncsi vagyok, vajon szóba került-e az alapfogalmak tisztázása során JCR Licklider Man-Computer Symbiosys cikke 1960-ból? 🤔
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/medg/people/psz/Licklider.html

Konrad Kiss

Nem, de örömmel beszélgetnék a témában, ha érdekes lehet Önnek is! Az előadás célja inkább az volt, felhívjuk a kutatásaink eredményeire a figyelmet. Az MKIK segítségével sikerült bejutnunk az eseményre amiért nagyon hálásak vagyunk. :)
Nos, én örömmel beszélgetek ezekről a dolgokról olyanokkal, akiket a tények és az elfelejtett múlt is érdekel, nem csak az aktuális hype meglovagolásából nyerhető pénzügyi nyereség és kapcsolati tőke... 🙃
Sajnálatos módon ezek ellenkező irányba mutatnak, ez az oka a fent említett problémának még a hivatkozott forrásokról tudó környezetekben is. 🤷‍♂️

Ha elfér egy kis önreklám, itt van két (nem túl jó) videó:
https://lnkd.in/duJEbZty
Ezeket egyébként az alábbi előadás bevezetőjéből ollóztam:
https://youtu.be/WKfEDicpwPw

Néhány a vesszőparipáim közül, hátha megtetszik valami 🙂
Megvan a szerepe a hypenak és a pénzügyi nyereségnek is. A vállalkozói oldalon ez az életbenmaradást jelentheti, akadémiai oldalon néha ködbe burkolózik. A teremtett érték a kulcs metrika, ez pedig szubjektív. Meg fogom nézni az előadást hamarosan, köszönöm a linkeket.
Ezért jutottam arra a következtetésre, hogy az informatika aranykora 1945-től (MEMEX) 1972-ig (az utolsó Apolló küldetés) tartott, amíg mérnöki és tudományos célokat szolgált: pontos definíciók, objektív értékelés. Ebből persze nem lehet pénzt csinálni, de jött Bill Gates és feltalálta az informatika üzleti modelljét (1976), Alan Kay (tőle nyúlta Jobs) a "végfelhasználót".

2011-ben még csak a következményekkel küzdöttem:

So, if you really solve a problem well, you have solved it for anyone who can run that software, as long as they have the environment that you used. In "business language": if you do your job well in programming, you lose your job.
...
Software industry had invented the "artificial software aging" by changing the environment all the time: creating new operating systems, end supporting "old" hardware, end supporting new hardware with drivers in old operating systems and ensuring that old software will not run in the new environment. New frameworks and generated new requirements on the end user side can only be fulfilled by new and newer software again – so users pay programmers to solve the same problem every year.
https://lnkd.in/dy5Tnm3n

Figyelmeztetés: a háttér megértése jobban fáj. 🤕
Az "értékteremtés" kérdéssel kapcsolatban itt ez a dia 👇 amit az (egyébként elutasított) informatika PhD kutatási beszámolómhoz készítettem, de végül kivettem belőle. 2018-ra már megtanultam, hogy semmi értelme olyasmit mondani, amit a "felettem álló" bíráló nem akar hallani.

A három görbe csúcsai olvashatók úgy is, hogy kinek hol az érték (piros: "fogyasztó", kék: "üzlet", zöld: "tudomány"). Tudományon nem a mai publikáció-gyár / pop-science értendő, hanem ami az Apollo programot elvitte a Holdra. Nem a mozivásznon vagy egy VR sisakban (pedig ott "terem a pénz" 🤑 ), hanem a való világban (ami az üzletember és a politikus szerint "csak viszi a pénzt", és mivel "ők tartják fenn az akadémiát" 🤮, onnan is eltűnt 🤷‍♂️ ).

Na ezen a szinten kezd igazán fájni a történet, amikor kezd összeállni a valós viszony ember és intellektus között. Mellesleg, a Turing teszt közismert változatának egy lehetséges fordítása: miért is kéne intelligensnek tekinteni egy olyan fajt, amely épp most vágja el a saját torkát? Miért lenne cél az, hogy a gép ezt utánozza - pláne, milliárdokat és terawattokat borítani a "megoldásába"?
https://www.iea.org/reports/energy-and-ai/energy-demand-from-ai

Kiábrándító.

2025. augusztus 4., hétfő

Outsiders


@lkedves comment
Greetings, Grim, 

I like this model but think it is incomplete and wonder what you think about my version. 

1: The chess analogy is power-oriented, describes actions, a black box model. 
I use a white box model focusing on motivations and found a twisted version of the Indian caste system more useful with the Brahmins (monks), Kshatriyas (guardians), Vaishyas (organisers), Sudras (craftspeople), and the Dalits (untouchables). These represent the five ways that people can deal with their inevitable weakness and mortality; and dictates every decision they make. The model also shows how "modern society" flipped this system upside down, together with a possible (though quite improbable) solution. 

2: There is no single person who can flip the table, this is not how it works. 
There may be people who never accepted the motivations of this game, spent their lives outside of the struggle for money and power, seeking for real answers and better questions(!) They lost all their fights not because they were not ABLE to win but because they were NOBLE to take only what they needed and not what they could grab. They can and do tell everyone their way to play the game but get the response that "you have to understand". They do understand but they don't obey. 

Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. 
“Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?” 
But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, 
“You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. 
Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” 
When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away. 

Today the whole table is in free fall, no pawns and no kings can really control it, the game plays itself through them. Players either realise that and start looking for those outsiders or we die together. 

The outsiders do no look for honour, they seek respect in its original meaning: "re-specto" = "examine it again". Don't reject because you think that's insane. It is just frightening because it is out of the world you knew. 

Your move?

2025. május 22., csütörtök

Stargate... Another few billons for Sammy's Toy Factory?



@lkedves1 day ago
25+ years in working with AI (NOT the current chatbot bubble) and the true pioneers of informatics say: it does not matter how far you go into a dead end street because you did not even know that there were maps showing where to go. The question is: when do you realise the mistake and turn back from it... (no problem if you delete this comment, just a minority report)


@rwlurk
1 day ago
there is no insatiable demand for AI, but there is insatiable demand from investors for more growth in tech stocks, which are propping up the USA's security markets


@Abouttime-p8u4 hours ago
@lkedves it just might be too lste by then... AI makes work so much easier though, 10 hours of work turn into 1


@Abouttime-p8u4 hours ago
@rwlurk My reply: Have you seen how many billions of pare using AI? Just from the time ChatGPT started to a year later it tremendous growth. Sure, there is also a lot of demand from stock investors interested in companies related to AI.



@lkedves27 minutes ago (edited)
​ @Abouttime-p8u Ironically, you are right but maybe not for the reason you think. Social media is not a big fan of facts and real science, I try to be as lightweight as possible here. Let's quote Alan Turing, highlighting the keys that nobody seem to read. 

--- 
1. The Imitation Game 
I propose to consider the question, "Can machines think?" This should begin with definitions of the meaning of the terms "machine" and "think". The definitions might be framed so as to reflect so far as possible the normal use of the words, but this attitude is dangerous, If the meaning of the words "machine" and "think" are to be found by examining how they are commonly used it is difficult to escape the conclusion that the meaning and the answer to the question, "Can machines think?" is to be sought in a statistical survey such as a Gallup poll. But this is absurd. Instead of attempting such a definition I shall replace the question by another, which is closely related to it and is expressed in relatively unambiguous words. 
The new form of the problem can be described in terms of a game which we call the 'imitation game." 
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Understand? 

Turing stated that both the goals and the means of this current "mainstream AI" are absurd. The "imitation game" does not answer the question if machines can think but replaces it. Turing wrote this article in the Mind (a Quarterly Review on Psychology and Philosophy !) to explain why people should stop calling the Universal Turing Machine a "thinking machine". I don't think he could imagine that a whole industry will be based on misinterpreting the first page (and completely ignoring the next 21) Or rather, just quoting Benedict Cumberbatch from the movie because he is so cute. Scientists... 

I have spent good 25 years on finding a definition of these terms on par with the UTM. I follow Douglas Engelbart, a mentioned pioneer when read AI as Augmenting Intellect, because his forgotten results hold the key. My daily job is to deliver solutions to "impossible missions" in real life with real deadlines and restricted budgets, not hype riding. 
The ratio is not 10 to 1 but 1 to 0. 

On the other hand, social media defines "thinking" as skimming over the popular news following the latest hypes (including videos like this), conduct some excited discussions with relatable buddies in your idea bubble and regurgitate some word salad as your well-founded opinion. And you are absolutely right. 
LLMs can do this much better than 10 to 1. 

But, there is a question. Is this second path really worth billions of dollars and terawatts of consumption? 

Back in the days before LinkedIn turned to a GeekBook, I picked up a quote that still holds today: 

I suppose one way for a machine to pass the Turing test is to wait until the quality of actual human conversation is so bad that a bot could be an improvement. This seems to be happening here. 

Peace... 


---- Interestingly, the first comment remained public and got a response to it ----


I've been thinking about this in addition to a "maximum wage" in the USA. Thinking of ceilings for progress. I'm becoming ever-more convinced that we should impose ceilings as a society, to slow the rate of progress for the sake of security and happiness. 

EACC folks (effective accelerationists) encourage us to barrel forward because AGI will solve all of our problems. I have extreme doubts. We will see how it okays out.


Quite the opposite. If you understand that our monetary system is based on exponential functions (the definition of the yearly interest on your bank deposit, or the GDP), combine it with enough elementary mathematics or informatics to know what it means, you realise that there is no ceiling. The repeated hype-rides and falls are simple consequences of the systemic ignorance, under various, sometimes bittersweet ideologies. 

I often watch The Big Short, you only have to replace the few words and get the AGI story - the two mortgage brokers are just like Sammy boy and the whoever that showed the site to Emily. I play a mix of Mark Baum and Michael Burry. Informatics offered a solution but the middle men took over, check Joseph Weizenbaum, the creator of the first chatbot, ELIZA, 1966. For contrast, Softbank invested in all hypes so far: Theranos, FTX, WeWork... I would rather consider that a red flag. Let alone, a praise from Trump.

I wonder if Bloomberg shadow bans this comment individually, or I am banned as a person. Testing, testing... 
😉

2025. május 10., szombat

What Is The Future Of Programming Languages?



The questions are excellent, the answers are "state of the art", the latter is not a compliment in this case. Here is a different take on the graph part.

  1. You have two fundamentally different ways to transfer and curate knowledge, A: storytelling (very human, imprecise) or B: knowledge graph building (hard for a human, as precise as can be). 👉 JCR Licklider, Libraries of the Future (1965, book).
  2. STEM knowledge is always B: a graph. When you have a problem in physics, biology, math, medicine, ... it's NOT about how you sing it or what language you use, but to build a precise network of property pages filled with data and linked to each other. The very terms (labels of data and links) are also graphs (DSLs). Information systems are graphs, too. In the computer's memory, you have flowcharts of the algorithms and you use the memory to hold the content of those property sheets. 👉 Ivan Sutherland Sketchpad (YouTube)
  3. EVERY program is a combination of a DSL set (the "meta" layer of classes, members, functions and their parameters) and a bunch of stories (the code of the functions and procedures), quoting Bob Martin: the software is assignment statements, if statements and while loops 👉 Future of Programming (YouTube).
  4. The real problem is that the text-based tools make us focus on the storytelling, we only see the big list of features or use cases, instead of the DSLs that allow us to describe and solve the atomic problems (modularity, KISS, DRY, SRP. ...). We have already solved every possible atomic problems literally millions of times, but repeating them every time (copy-paste or in "modern cases", LLMs🤦‍♂) in the endless possible combinations, and that grows every day. 👉 Alan Kay's Power of Simplicity (YouTube)
  5. Introducing new programming languages that do the same has one effect: it even erodes the "burden" of cumulated human experience and the codebase, start it all over again, not solving the fundamental issue.

Problem: Information systems are graphs. Storytelling is not the right way to interact with graphs. The blamed imprecision is manageable "human error" in the case of graphs but inevitable fatal block in text-based programming. Teaser 👉 Bret Victor, Future of Programming (YouTube); hard-core answer 👉 Douglas Engelbart: Augmenting Human Intellect (report)

Solution: STEM languages are graphs (DSLs). THE future programming language is the DSL of information systems. The same that we have in physics, mathematics, biology, ...

Question: has anyone read this far? 😉

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CallousCoder
Your behaviour is like the old horse and cart people against the automobile. It's nonsensical, the technology is here to stay. So either adopt it or you'll go extinct. You know that good developers are terrible managers, right? ;) Also I don't get it, what the resistance is. Whether you ask a junior or medior to implement something or you ask an LLM. It's no different other than that the LLM just does it and doesn't nag especially after the 2nd or 3rd iteration ;)

CallousCoder
“bro” is 52 years old and didn’t take philosophy but EE and CS.

lkedves
Age is just a number (happens to be the same...) Check the Mother of All Demos, that was real technology behind the Apollo program, while this chatbot AI is just another stock market bubble. Side note: before the previous AI winter, we won Comdex '99 with a data mining / AI tool. Back then people could read the first paragraph of Turing's article, the definition of "the test" instead of trying to implement cartoon dreams... (including a Nobel prize winner psychologist) 

But you got the point with "Modern software is a disease!" LLMs learn from their sources, kids copy-paste them to real software, LLM learns from them again. Quantity goes up, quality goes down. LLM companies use human slaves to avoid stupid mistakes in everyday tasks after the first flops. Regardless of we accept this as a solution, who will censor generated codes? 

Dead end.

cyberfunk3793
AI is obviously going to fix data races and buffer overflows and every other type of bugs you can think of. You don't understand what is coming if you think it's just hype. I don't know if it will be 5 years or 50, but at some point humans will only be describing (in human language) what they want the program to do and reviewing the code that is produced. Currently AI is already extremely helpful but still makes a lot mistakes. These mistakes will get more and more rare and the ability of AI to program will far exceed humans just like computers beat us at chess.

TCMx3
Chess engines did not need AI to curbstomp us at chess. Non-ML based engines with simple table-bases for endings were already some 700 points stronger than the best humans. Sounds like you don't actually know very much about chess engines lmao.

CallousCoder
btw playing chess with an LLM is a hilarious experience. If it looses it brings back pieces from the dead or just “portals” them into safety.

lkedves
[retry, I promise I leave if disappears again]

You may have missed so I repeat. We won Comdex '99 with a data mining / AI tool (and there is nothing new on this field except the exponential growth of the hardware). Since then I have worked on refining knowledge graph management in information systems under every single project I touched, often delivering "impossible missions". I work together with the machine because I follow a different resolution of AI: Augmenting Intellect (Douglas Engelbart) on systems that are of course smarter than me (and generate part of their own codes for years from these graphs). Right now at the national AI lab in a university applied research project that I will not try to explain here.
You find some of my conclusions with references to sources in my comment added to this video (11th May). 

I know the pioneers who predicted and warned about what we have today (recommended reading: Tools For Thought by Howard Rheingold, you find the whole book online). One of them is Alan Turing, who asked people not to call the UTM a "thinking machine" and wrote an article in Mind: A Quarterly Review of Psychology and Philosophy about the dangers of making such claims without proper definitions. Poor man never thought that in a few decades "IT folks" would think this was an aim. Or Joseph Weizenbaum, the guy who wrote the first chatbot, ELIZA. 

I know why your dream will never happen because I know informatics (its original meaning, not the business model Gates invented) was against this fairy tale. LLMs are just try to prove that old story from quantum mechanics, that infinite monkeys in infinite time will surely type in the whole Hamlet. The problem is that we don't have infinite time and resources, and the goal is not repeating but write the next Hamlet. Those who initiated informatics, made this clear. Start with Vannevar Bush: As We May Think, 1945. 

@TCMx3 , @CallousCoder - thanks for your answers... 🙏 Another excellent example - in chess, you have absolute rules.

In life, we know that all the laws we can invent are wrong (Incompleteness theorem) and thinking means improving the rules while solving problems and taking the responsibility of all errors. The ultimate example is the Apollo program with Engelbart's NLS in the background, that's how THEY went to the moon. We go to the plaza to watch the next Marvel story in 4D, now with the help of genAI. If we go with the question of predicting the next 50 years, look up "Charly Gordon Algernon 1968" here on YouTube.

---[ This answer "disappeared" for the second time so I left the place ]---

2025. március 20., csütörtök

Immersive Technologies Policy Primer - reaction

On LinkedIn



This looks like a solid overview of the current "state of the art". What I don't see is the background, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐠𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐰𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 (and were afraid to look down so now we fall like a stone, just as predicted -> https://youtu.be/KZqsWGtdqiA?t=102 ).

When discussing the social effects of communication technologies, where is the reference to Neil Postman? -> neilpostman.org
https://youtu.be/QqxgCoHv_aE

When talking about education, where is PLATO?
https://youtu.be/THoxsBw-UmM

When discussing AR/VR, where is Ivan Sutherland?
https://youtu.be/AFqXGxKsM3w
Or at least, Alan Kay (among others, the real inventor of the tablet)...
https://youtu.be/pUoBSC3uoeo?t=5061

When thinking about informatics in general, where is Douglas Engelbart?
https://youtu.be/O77mweZ8-RQ?t=22
Or Ted Nelson?
https://youtu.be/KdnGPQaICjk

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"Primer"... 🧐

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
George Santayana

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... and I guess this date should be 1994:
[3] Paul Milgram and Fumio Kishino (1884)

2025. február 19., szerda

Haiku

The anti social medium. The Matrix dessert.

The crack on Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem.

The ultimate form of non-transformable information.


2025. február 5., szerda

The Experience of Being Wrong

How could I be THIS STUPID???

Now, please stop reading and remember when you asked this, not just lightly but with the strange mix of real anger and shame.


...


That was the last time you learned something really important and this is the only way to it. It happened to me yesterday. At age 52 I think this is a very positive feedback: I can (very hardly but still) lower my ego and learn. Here is the story.

I have been repeating for years in every context that JCR Licklider separated transferrable and non-transferrable knowledge, and a root cause of today's mess in IT (and consequently, everywhere) is the fact that we forgot this. Banging my chest like a gorilla, like here...

But yesterday, as my young colleague is creating a proper scientific publication, we started looking for the exact reference. To my greatest surprise, I did not find it. In desperation, I started reading Libraries of the Future again, and realized (thankfully and ironically on page 2!) that...


Licklider never wrote that.

Here is the actual quote:

We delimited the scope of the study, almost at the outset, to functions, classes of information, and domains of knowledge in which the items of basic interest are not the print or paper, and not the words and sentences themselves —but the facts, concepts, principles, and ideas that lie behind the visible and tangible aspects of documents. The criterion question for the delimitation was: "Can it be rephrased without significant loss?" Thus we delimited the scope to include only "transformable information." Works of art are clearly beyond that scope, for they suffer even from reproduction. Works of literature are beyond it also, though not as far. Within the scope lie secondary parts of art and literature, most of history, medicine, and law, and almost all of science, technology, and the records of business and government.

He talks about "transformable information", not "transferrable knowledge".


What happened? Had I forgotten to read???

No, but I was not able to at that moment. This paragraph held a key to a question of computerized knowledge management I struggled with for decades, literally. When it hit me, my mind was blown immediately and started restructuring itself. I followed, remembered, and kept quoting my own revelation instead of the text that I thought I was reading. 


But why?

Knowledge in our minds is always a network: some attributes of and relations between "things". To store or transfer our knowledge of a topic, we "export" the related part of this network in a presentation, text, figures, pictures, videos. Other people will try to integrate this content with their existing knowledge. Here comes the trick: for those who can do this without changing anything in their minds, this was not "information" because information is only the part that you did not know and could not figure out from your existing knowledge.

At the first time I could not integrate Licklider's original message with my existing knowledge, it only triggered a change that took a long time. Now, when I revisited this paragraph, it was new again but now I could actually read it and integrate with my current knowledge. Fun fact: the word "respect" does not mean "obey" or "accept" but re-specto: examine it again.


Real information is like good chilli: it burns twice.


So, how do I read the message now?

This is a simple way to tell the difference between transformable and non-transformable information. I quoted the rest correctly: informatics (the "libraries of the future") should work only with transformable information.

  • Transformable means you can say it hundreds of ways, the meaning will be the same. You focus on the knowledge graph in your head and try to build exactly the same in the audience: a physical phenomenon or a medical treatment. 
  • Non-transformable information focuses on the message itself and the feelings created by it (not less important but totally different). With different tone, wording, or face, the message and the effect significantly changes.


A less nerdy example

I think 99% of modern pop music is not even information: repeats the same message about a boy, girl, love, hate, etc. that the audience is already familiar. (hashtag metoo?)

But the Sound of Silence is a perfect example of non-transformable information: I already knew the original song but this presentation by Disturbed delivered the message (which happens to be in close relation with the topic of this post).


[This post can be a pair of my more formal article, The Science of Being Wrong (a possible definition of informatics) as here I defined "infonauts" as experts in being wrong...]

2025. január 14., kedd

Responsibility in "Mainstream IT" vs "Golden age informatics"

Charles Hoffman

I have been saying for years and years that more business professionals and liberal arts majors should be paying attention to artificial intelligence. Let me ask a question. When, or if, the tools that these professional computer scientists create go terribly wrong, should the computer scientists be held accountable in any way? If someone relies on these tools based on something some marketing campaign for artificial intelligence proclaimed, who will be held responsible? Buyer beware?

Humans in the AI Loop. AI in the Human Loop. Humans in Control
There is one, similarly dangerous aspect of this question. Assuming that there are no "IT people" who are (with the necessary formal education, knowledge and experience, much more) worried about this situation thus outsiders should enforce discipline on us.

Listen to Bob Martin not only pointing out the core issues but giving an explanation and possible cure for them as well. The problem is that this is too technical for the outsiders and absolutely not popular for the vast majority of self-proclaimed IT people who happened to get old and established without ever receiving proper education. So, they teach the next generation of their cargo cults, blockchain or mainstream AI being the newest ones. [edit: ouch, forgot about the IT cult leaders who first got insanely rich, then start "changing the world for the better", making fame along the way and attract their followers to continue their "heritage"... 🤦‍♂️ ]
https://youtu.be/ecIWPzGEbFc?t=3057

I see nothing special in IT. We live in the predicted global Idiocracy and IT is not immune to it.
Thanks for the video, Future of Programming. That is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about.


Lorand Kedves

Yes, you are "talking about" it while I can list you goals and names of the true IT pioneers, the best minds of the planet. They knew that any technology is exactly as dangerous as beneficial. The difference is that others change what you can DO in the real world, informatics changes what you SEE and THINK of it! Today we handle their warnings as a damned bucket list and of course, that is ignored as a CS PhD research topic.
https://bit.ly/montru_ScienceWrong

The roots were cut when IT became a for-profit venture funded by general business (M$) and rich daydreamers (Apple). I think you will like the ultimate arts person, Neil Postman, trying to educate Apple ("think different" 🤦‍♂️) folks in 1993...
https://youtu.be/QqxgCoHv_aE

IT is the "One Ring" (ref Bob Martin: you can't do anything without "us"). I wanted to use it in direct resource management (1) or education (2) but was ignored. Working in finance is like carrying that ring through Mordor but at least some people listen here and can even find "established" critics like Prof. Richard Murphy (3).
(1) https://bit.ly/montru_OpenSourceCivilization
(2) https://bit.ly/lkedves_Studiolo
(3) https://youtu.be/k5Yo3Y_SMow


Charles Hoffman

This is all interesting. One can compare this to things like the creation of "high fructuous corn syrup" and it effect on the food industry and people's health, mining techniques that destroy the environment, the way healthcare is practiced in the United States, the way the pharmaceuticals industry works to get people to pay pills for the rest of their lives.
Only if you ignore the other side of the coin. Following your analogy, statistically speaking the goods you find in a pharmacy are either useless or outright dangerous, even lethal - yet, we need pharmacies and have been cured by the drugs they sell.

How comes?

Although a pharmacy looks like a shop, it MUST NOT give you what you ask, only the drugs your doctor prescribed after a careful examination, regardless of the money you offer. Theoretically... 🙁 But today we try to operate the pharmacy just like a bakery or a candy store: want to get more profit by giving you whatever you ask, even create marketing campaign, etc. (like the rest of the healthcare system btw.)

So, do you "rightfully" blame the pharmacy for poisoning and killing people?

Yes AND no. But the solution is not that "worried, responsible outsiders" flock in to the pharmacy and try to regulate it by their personal experiences or the color of the boxes. Instead, they should support pharmacists return to their role and rebuild the counter between them and the customers. And in the long run, realign the "healthcare system" to the meaning of this word...

Now, replace "health" with "knowledge" and got informatics.

Does this sound interesting?
Sign me up! Informatics and cybernetics make complete sense to me. What I don't understand is why I don't "see" them in software development.
Since the 20th century, mankind is a planetary species: science, communication, manufacturing, wars. Thinkers knew that civilization is not a thing but an often unpleasant process of making a peaceful, educated, cooperative homo "sapiens" from each "erectus" kid. The new power needs a "global brain", a transparent cooperation of "knowledge workers" to control it.

They did create an information system that organized 400,000 members solving one, impossible, objective goal - the Apollo program. An icon is Douglas Engelbart.
Introduction (1995): https://youtu.be/O77mweZ8-RQ
Eulogy (2013): https://youtu.be/yMjPqr1s-cg

However, the world population was (is) not ready. They prefer separating "them" from "us", hate the hardship of learning and choose the cheap illusion of knowledge by repeating hollow cliches. Add the dream of becoming rich and famous, let them use the infrastructure created above and you get the current Idiocracy. An icon is Elon Musk.
Prediction (1959): https://youtu.be/KZqsWGtdqiA?t=101

You don't "see" informatics as I talk about it because it was lost since 1973.
https://youtu.be/8pTEmbeENF4?t=1741

Rebels may pay with their lives like Aaron Swartz.
https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Thanks for all this information. Now I have renewed motivation. I am now doing this for Doug. Building on his shoulders.

As a bridge person between accounting and IT, you can do more.
- BE AWARE that 1945-1972 was the golden age and Douglas Engelbart represents that "state of the art".
- DEMAND anyone claiming to be an IT person to demonstrate the same moral and professional attitude.
- DON'T ACCEPT less from "us".

"Building on his shoulders" is another thing.

Here is his analysis (1962) behind the Mother of All Demos. It has one key paragraph ignored even by his followers.
https://bit.ly/Engelbart_AI

It relates to Ted Nelson's Xanadu and ZigZag (document and graph DB vision). Combined with Chomsky's research it shows a gap in the proof of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. That is the key to Turing's true challenge: define "machine" and "thinking". The Neumann Architecture CAN handle that, while the Harward is a dead end street. Conclusion: informatics is the necessary and sufficient doctrine of AGI as Augmenting Global Intellect, everything else is garbage.

This paragraph costs a lifetime and is worth it.

Meanwhile, our civilization is literally committing suicide and you are right: mainstream IT is part of the problem. About the necessary paradigm shift, here is another message from 1973:
https://youtu.be/WjR6nHhc6Rg