Knocking on Heaven's Door :-D

At OpenAI gym.

May 14 08:31
I would ask you a silly question: what is your definition of "intelligence"? No need to give links to AI levels or algorithms, I have been on the field for 20 years. I mean "intelligence", without the artificial part, "A" is the second question after defining "I". At least to me :-)

May 14 21:47
@JKCooper2 @yankov The popcorn is a good idea, I tend to write too much, trying to stay short.

@daly @gdb First question: what do we examine? The actions (black box model) or the structure (white box)?

If it's about actions (like playing go or passing Turing test), intelligence is about "motivated interaction" with a specific environment (and: an inspector who can understand this motivation!). In this way even a safety valve is "intelligent" because it has a motivation and controls a system: it is "able to accomplish a goal". Or a brake control system in a vehicle, a workflow engine or a rule based expert system.

However, white box approach: how it works is more promising. At least it enforces cleaning foggy terms like "learn", "quicker", or how we should deal with "knowledge representation", especially if we want to extract or share it.

In this way, I have starter levels like:

• direct programmed reactions to input by a fixed algorithm;
• validates inputs and self states, may react differently to the same input.

So far it's fine with typing code. But you need tricky architecture to continue:

• adapts to the environment by changing the parameters of its own components;
• adapts by changing its configuration (initiating, reorganizing, removing worker components).

So far it's okay, my framework can handle such things. However, the interesting parts come here:

• monitors and evaluates its own operation (decisions, optimization);
• adapts by changing its operation (writes own code);
• adapts by changing its goals (what does "goal" mean to a machine?)

At least, for me artificial intelligence is not about the code that a human writes, but an architecture that later can change itself - and then a way of "coding" that can change itself. I did not see things related to this layer (perhaps I was too shallow), this is why I asked.

May 16 06:10
@gdb Okay, it seems that my short QnA does not worth serious attention here. I have quite long experience with cognitive dissonance, so just a short closing note.

Do you know the Tower of Babel story, how God stopped us to reach the sky? He gave us multiple languages so that we could not cooperate anymore. With OpenHI ;-) this story may resemble the myriads of programming languages, libraries and tools - for the same, relatively small set of tasks, being here for decades. (I have been designing systems and programming for decades to get the pain of it - see Bret Victor for more.)

So my point here: Artificial intelligence is not about algorithms, python codes, libraries, wrappers, etc. that YOU write and talk about. All that is temporal. (And by the way, AI is NOT for replacing human adults, like Einstein, Gandhi, Neumann or Buddha. It is only better than us today: dreaming children playing with a gun. hmm... lots of guns.) However...

When you start looking at your best codes like they should have been generated. When you have an environment that holds a significant portion of what you know about programming. When it generates part of its own source code from that knowledge to run (and you can kill it by a bad idea). When you realize that your current understanding is actually the result of using this thing, and that you can't follow what it is doing because you have a human brain, even though you wrote every single line of code. Because its ability is not the code, but the architecture you can build but can't keep in your brain and use it as fast and perfect as a machine.

By the way, you actually create a mind map to organize your own mind! How about a mind map that does what you put in there? An interactive mind map that you use to learn what you need to create an interactive mind map? Not a master-slave relationship, but cooperation with an equal partner with really different abilities. I think this is when you STARTED working on AI, because... "Hey! I'm no one's messenger boy. All right? I'm a delivery boy." (Shrek)

Sorry for being an ogre. Have fun!