I have been saying for years and years that more business professionals and liberal arts majors should be paying attention to artificial intelligence. Let me ask a question. When, or if, the tools that these professional computer scientists create go terribly wrong, should the computer scientists be held accountable in any way? If someone relies on these tools based on something some marketing campaign for artificial intelligence proclaimed, who will be held responsible? Buyer beware?
Humans in the AI Loop. AI in the Human Loop. Humans in Control
There is one, similarly dangerous aspect of this question. Assuming that there are no "IT people" who are (with the necessary formal education, knowledge and experience, much more) worried about this situation thus outsiders should enforce discipline on us.
Listen to Bob Martin not only pointing out the core issues but giving an explanation and possible cure for them as well. The problem is that this is too technical for the outsiders and absolutely not popular for the vast majority of self-proclaimed IT people who happened to get old and established without ever receiving proper education. So, they teach the next generation of their cargo cults, blockchain or mainstream AI being the newest ones. [edit: ouch, forgot about the IT cult leaders who first got insanely rich, then start "changing the world for the better", making fame along the way and attract their followers to continue their "heritage"... 🤦♂️ ]
https://youtu.be/ecIWPzGEbFc?t=3057
I see nothing special in IT. We live in the predicted global Idiocracy and IT is not immune to it.
Listen to Bob Martin not only pointing out the core issues but giving an explanation and possible cure for them as well. The problem is that this is too technical for the outsiders and absolutely not popular for the vast majority of self-proclaimed IT people who happened to get old and established without ever receiving proper education. So, they teach the next generation of their cargo cults, blockchain or mainstream AI being the newest ones. [edit: ouch, forgot about the IT cult leaders who first got insanely rich, then start "changing the world for the better", making fame along the way and attract their followers to continue their "heritage"... 🤦♂️ ]
https://youtu.be/ecIWPzGEbFc?t=3057
I see nothing special in IT. We live in the predicted global Idiocracy and IT is not immune to it.
Thanks for the video, Future of Programming. That is exactly the sort of thing I am talking about.
Lorand Kedves
Yes, you are "talking about" it while I can list you goals and names of the true IT pioneers, the best minds of the planet. They knew that any technology is exactly as dangerous as beneficial. The difference is that others change what you can DO in the real world, informatics changes what you SEE and THINK of it! Today we handle their warnings as a damned bucket list and of course, that is ignored as a CS PhD research topic.
https://bit.ly/montru_ScienceWrong
The roots were cut when IT became a for-profit venture funded by general business (M$) and rich daydreamers (Apple). I think you will like the ultimate arts person, Neil Postman, trying to educate Apple ("think different" 🤦♂️) folks in 1993...
https://youtu.be/QqxgCoHv_aE
IT is the "One Ring" (ref Bob Martin: you can't do anything without "us"). I wanted to use it in direct resource management (1) or education (2) but was ignored. Working in finance is like carrying that ring through Mordor but at least some people listen here and can even find "established" critics like Prof. Richard Murphy (3).
(1) https://bit.ly/montru_OpenSourceCivilization
(2) https://bit.ly/lkedves_Studiolo
(3) https://youtu.be/k5Yo3Y_SMow
Charles Hoffman
This is all interesting. One can compare this to things like the creation of "high fructuous corn syrup" and it effect on the food industry and people's health, mining techniques that destroy the environment, the way healthcare is practiced in the United States, the way the pharmaceuticals industry works to get people to pay pills for the rest of their lives.
Only if you ignore the other side of the coin. Following your analogy, statistically speaking the goods you find in a pharmacy are either useless or outright dangerous, even lethal - yet, we need pharmacies and have been cured by the drugs they sell.
How comes?
Although a pharmacy looks like a shop, it MUST NOT give you what you ask, only the drugs your doctor prescribed after a careful examination, regardless of the money you offer. Theoretically... 🙁 But today we try to operate the pharmacy just like a bakery or a candy store: want to get more profit by giving you whatever you ask, even create marketing campaign, etc. (like the rest of the healthcare system btw.)
So, do you "rightfully" blame the pharmacy for poisoning and killing people?
Yes AND no. But the solution is not that "worried, responsible outsiders" flock in to the pharmacy and try to regulate it by their personal experiences or the color of the boxes. Instead, they should support pharmacists return to their role and rebuild the counter between them and the customers. And in the long run, realign the "healthcare system" to the meaning of this word...
Now, replace "health" with "knowledge" and got informatics.
Does this sound interesting?
How comes?
Although a pharmacy looks like a shop, it MUST NOT give you what you ask, only the drugs your doctor prescribed after a careful examination, regardless of the money you offer. Theoretically... 🙁 But today we try to operate the pharmacy just like a bakery or a candy store: want to get more profit by giving you whatever you ask, even create marketing campaign, etc. (like the rest of the healthcare system btw.)
So, do you "rightfully" blame the pharmacy for poisoning and killing people?
Yes AND no. But the solution is not that "worried, responsible outsiders" flock in to the pharmacy and try to regulate it by their personal experiences or the color of the boxes. Instead, they should support pharmacists return to their role and rebuild the counter between them and the customers. And in the long run, realign the "healthcare system" to the meaning of this word...
Now, replace "health" with "knowledge" and got informatics.
Does this sound interesting?
Sign me up! Informatics and cybernetics make complete sense to me. What I don't understand is why I don't "see" them in software development.
Since the 20th century, mankind is a planetary species: science, communication, manufacturing, wars. Thinkers knew that civilization is not a thing but an often unpleasant process of making a peaceful, educated, cooperative homo "sapiens" from each "erectus" kid. The new power needs a "global brain", a transparent cooperation of "knowledge workers" to control it.
They did create an information system that organized 400,000 members solving one, impossible, objective goal - the Apollo program. An icon is Douglas Engelbart.
Introduction (1995): https://youtu.be/O77mweZ8-RQ
Eulogy (2013): https://youtu.be/yMjPqr1s-cg
However, the world population was (is) not ready. They prefer separating "them" from "us", hate the hardship of learning and choose the cheap illusion of knowledge by repeating hollow cliches. Add the dream of becoming rich and famous, let them use the infrastructure created above and you get the current Idiocracy. An icon is Elon Musk.
Prediction (1959): https://youtu.be/KZqsWGtdqiA?t=101
You don't "see" informatics as I talk about it because it was lost since 1973.
https://youtu.be/8pTEmbeENF4?t=1741
Rebels may pay with their lives like Aaron Swartz.
https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
They did create an information system that organized 400,000 members solving one, impossible, objective goal - the Apollo program. An icon is Douglas Engelbart.
Introduction (1995): https://youtu.be/O77mweZ8-RQ
Eulogy (2013): https://youtu.be/yMjPqr1s-cg
However, the world population was (is) not ready. They prefer separating "them" from "us", hate the hardship of learning and choose the cheap illusion of knowledge by repeating hollow cliches. Add the dream of becoming rich and famous, let them use the infrastructure created above and you get the current Idiocracy. An icon is Elon Musk.
Prediction (1959): https://youtu.be/KZqsWGtdqiA?t=101
You don't "see" informatics as I talk about it because it was lost since 1973.
https://youtu.be/8pTEmbeENF4?t=1741
Rebels may pay with their lives like Aaron Swartz.
https://youtu.be/9vz06QO3UkQ
Thanks for all this information. Now I have renewed motivation. I am now doing this for Doug. Building on his shoulders.
As a bridge person between accounting and IT, you can do more.
- BE AWARE that 1945-1972 was the golden age and Douglas Engelbart represents that "state of the art".
- DEMAND anyone claiming to be an IT person to demonstrate the same moral and professional attitude.
- DON'T ACCEPT less from "us".
"Building on his shoulders" is another thing.
Here is his analysis (1962) behind the Mother of All Demos. It has one key paragraph ignored even by his followers.
https://bit.ly/Engelbart_AI
It relates to Ted Nelson's Xanadu and ZigZag (document and graph DB vision). Combined with Chomsky's research it shows a gap in the proof of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. That is the key to Turing's true challenge: define "machine" and "thinking". The Neumann Architecture CAN handle that, while the Harward is a dead end street. Conclusion: informatics is the necessary and sufficient doctrine of AGI as Augmenting Global Intellect, everything else is garbage.
This paragraph costs a lifetime and is worth it.
Meanwhile, our civilization is literally committing suicide and you are right: mainstream IT is part of the problem. About the necessary paradigm shift, here is another message from 1973:
https://youtu.be/WjR6nHhc6Rg
- BE AWARE that 1945-1972 was the golden age and Douglas Engelbart represents that "state of the art".
- DEMAND anyone claiming to be an IT person to demonstrate the same moral and professional attitude.
- DON'T ACCEPT less from "us".
"Building on his shoulders" is another thing.
Here is his analysis (1962) behind the Mother of All Demos. It has one key paragraph ignored even by his followers.
https://bit.ly/Engelbart_AI
It relates to Ted Nelson's Xanadu and ZigZag (document and graph DB vision). Combined with Chomsky's research it shows a gap in the proof of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. That is the key to Turing's true challenge: define "machine" and "thinking". The Neumann Architecture CAN handle that, while the Harward is a dead end street. Conclusion: informatics is the necessary and sufficient doctrine of AGI as Augmenting Global Intellect, everything else is garbage.
This paragraph costs a lifetime and is worth it.
Meanwhile, our civilization is literally committing suicide and you are right: mainstream IT is part of the problem. About the necessary paradigm shift, here is another message from 1973:
https://youtu.be/WjR6nHhc6Rg
